Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:19:49 -0500
(EST)
From: Roger Waters
<cjohnson@cosmo.marymount.edu>
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Insurrection Comments
The first thing I noticed about
Alien:Ressurection, besides the horrible design
of the final Alien, was that H. R. Giger was not
mentioned in the credits. After the film was over
and I was leaving the theatre, Ioverheard a group
of people talking. They were saying that they
knew the Aliens were designed by one man but they
couldn't think of his name. I told them that he
was named H. R. Giger and that I was surprised
that he was not mentioned in the credits. People
may not know his name, but they certainly know of
him and of his designs. By not putting his name
in the credits, Fox is giving the public the
impression that they designed the Alien. I am
glad that Mr. Giger is standing his ground on
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From: wakacreative@mindspring.com
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:00:07 -0500
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: No Giger in new Alien
Hi,
I just wanted to write and voice my concern and
disappointment over Giger not receiving any
mention in the Alien film. I think that the film,
which is very good, is seriously flawed by this
oversight. I wondered, after seeing the movie,
how anyone could forget to credit Giger!!! It's
probably too late for something to be added to
the credits, but Fox owes Mr. Giger and apology.
Thanks. I just wanted to write and let you know
that I know where the idea for the alien came
from! Sincerely,
Jeff McLeod
Montgomery, AL |
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From: ryk.waddell@tavsnet.com
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 18:15:43 -0500
To: <WebAgent@HRGiger.com>
Subject: Credits for Marvelous Work
I am fortunate enough to own a limited edition
print with an H.R.Geiger autograph. Ever since I
first encountered the Brain Salad Surgery Album,
I have had a close bond to his art.I run a large
Sci-Fi Convention that has been located in the
Atlanta area for over twenty years. We have had
actors from previous Alien films at our shows and
they too, have all expressed their fondness of
Giger's art form. Without Giger's concept there
would be no true boogie man or monsters under you
bed! I was an f x crew member for the 2nd film an
was stuck in Pinewood for weeks working with
Cameron, only to be disappointed that I would not
get to meetGiger. I have worked with the large
Studio's and they are like Ripley's comparison of
the xenomorphs and Carter Berk from the 2nd film,
"You don't see them ******* each other over
for a piece of the percentage!" We know who
the father is and let me remind you that the son
always comes home! Good Luck, Giger!!! We await
restitution from the Studio and your Oscar!!!
Ryk Waddell
Catacombs EFX Group
Atlanta, Ga. |
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To: Webagent@HRGiger.Com
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:47:21 -0800
Subject: It's about respect. Homage to a master.
From: cthulu3@juno.com (Alexander M. Osbourne)
My first experience with HR Giger's imagery was
when I was about 10 years old. My older brother
and sister had snuck me in to the movie Alien. My
very first reaction to the film was terror,
fright, and intrigue. After the film, they were
going on and on, about some poor fucker that had
died, I was talking with them about the
landscapes, the ships, the Alien, and those eggs.
Those eggs - strange and seductive. Looking back
now, when they first were opening in the film, it
was so mysterious and wonderful and complex.
There was a strange beauty to the Alien, the way
it moved, the complexity of its design. I didn't
see any of Giger's images again until my sister
bought the Dead Kennedy record Frankenchrist. We
got the Giger poster in ours! The excitement was
amazing. I knew at the point, I wanted to see
more. It was just so beautiful. I started to
write down specific names of bands, movies, and
artists I liked. Giger's name was one of them. My
sister and I were told about the books containing
his images, now every penny that was earned was
saved to by a Giger book. When the proper funds
were saved, it was spent immediately on a Giger
book and more punk rock. I could sit for hours
and look at the images below me. My sister
wouldn't "kill" each other, while
looking at Giger's artwork together. We would sit
and talk for hours. I don't believe my mother
will ever credit Giger's art to helping the
family "peace" and "sanity",
but I know it brought my sister and I closer. Now
much older, It really angers me to know that
companies like 20th Century Fox have to be such
assholes regarding Giger's vision. Without H.R.
Giger, the aliens would have never been so
brilliant or memorable. They would be no giant
appeal to the films like there is now. Not only
with the Alien images, but with everything that
Giger does, he does with brilliance. His artwork
takes us into areas of forbidden, areas where we
dream and we are illuminated of our pain. He
takes us into areas where the imagination is set
free without restrictions. His artwork over the
years has been like a friend, a lover, and a
guide. Without visionary's like H.R. Giger the
world we occupy would be very dull and non
stimulating. H.R. Giger deserves all of the
respect that we our taught as children, my
deepest thanks and respect go to H.R. Giger for
making my life more complete and enjoyable.
Homage to the master of the fantastic.
My support is with you. Best Wishes and much
thanks,
Alexander M. Osbourne/Education in Infestation
Cthulu3@Juno.com |
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From:
"Phillip Bumby" kahless@isaac.net
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: credit where credit is due
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:23:39 -0500I think
that fox is full of it! Like you said where would
the Alien series be without your designs. Of
course every fan of the Alien movies doesn't have
to see your name to know that you designed the
aliens. When people think of aliens they think of
H.R. Giger.
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Date: 3 Dec 1997 05:13:52 -0000
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
From: alexmeeres@usa.net (Alex Meeres)
Subject: Credit for H.R. Giger
I was a bit nervous when I didn't see Mr. Giger's
name in either the opening or closing credits to
Alien: Ressurection. I assumed that it was I who
had made a mistake . . . I must've missed it . .
. (perhaps I blinked, that's all it would take to
miss his name in Alien 3). But upon reading his
letter to Fox Inc., and realizing that Mr. Giger
received no credit for his creation, that I was
truly shocked. After reading the numerous letters
on this site, I have decided that perhaps we
could all help somehow... if as many people
contributed letters to 20th Century Fox, as did
to this opinion poll, stating-- demanding an
apology and recompense to Mr. Giger, some good
might be done. Have you (WebAgent) or anyone else
contacted Fox as to their plans and response to
the letter? Is there a way to relay these fan
letters, or new ones, to Fox? Am I just grasping
at straws, in hopes that justice will be served?
Alex Meeres
Arts student-University of Regina, Canada |
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From:
"Joel Ray"
<q0780002@ed.shizuoka.ac.jp>
To: <WebAgent@HRGiger.com>
Subject: Insurrection
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:24:01 +0900
An artist is entitled to credit for his work.
It's as simple as that. |
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From: "Jeffrey D. Jonsson"
<jjonsson@library.utah.edu>
To: <WebAgent@HRGiger.com>
Subject: Final creature a joke.
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:53:34 -0700
How much better would Alien 4 have been if Giger
had been the designer of the "baby"
alien? Far, far better would be my answer. I can
just imagine the "Alien-Human"
cross-breed as sort of a creature like
"Sil" from "Species" instead
of some ugly pink blob with saggy boobs, and no
character. I hate Fox for not involving him, and
I am angry that they did not give him credit for
his eminently original designs. They don't have a
concept of how to treat a true artist.
Jeffrey D. Jonsson |
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From: ThirdEye33@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:57:38 -0500 (EST)
To: WebAgent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Alien: Ressurection Ripoff.
I have been a big fan of all the movies, and Mr.
Giger was unfairly cheated out of his rightful
place as creative designer of the creature. I
have made my opinions known by sending multiple
letters and e-mails to Fox Entertainment on this
matter. Mr. Giger has an awesome style and poise
that sets him above the crowd, and it's time to
pay the man some goddamn respect for his work.
Thank you and good night. |
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From: Cvalin@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:15:01 -0500 (EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Support
Hello,
I'm not exactly sure what purpose I could
possibly serve, but I was informed of Mr. Giger's
snub in the credits to Alien: Ressurection, and
I'd like to add my support to any future dealings
with 20th Century Fox. I agree completely that
the sequels would not, in all likelihood, even
exist if it wasn't for the look of the aliens in
the first film.
Good luck,
Christopher J. Valin |
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From: Otto Cate
<ocate@microsoft.com>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Credit
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:53:38 -0800
I DEFINITELY think that credit should be given
where it is truly deserved. This man is not only
one of the most influential artists of our time,
but quite simply, if it weren't for his brilliant
imagination, 20th Century Fox would not even have
a film to begin with. |
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From:
"Martin Howe"
<martin.howe@dial.pipex.com>To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: No credit for Alien Resurrection
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:48:28 -0000As someone
who has followed Alien since it started, I have
to agree with the sentiments expressed in this
web site. Without the work that has been done,
the Alien as we know him would not exist, and to
not credit the "father of Alien" with
this work seems downright churlish.
I
don't know why Fox have done this, but perhaps a
lawsuit against them would be in order.
Best
wishes, Martin Howe
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 22:01:25 -0800
From: "Janine C. van Rooijen"
<dark.ages.jewelry@pi.net>
Organization: Planet Internet
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: alien insurrection
Unbelievable! Without HRGiger there would be no
alien movie at all! How can a professional(?)
movie company like Twentieth Century Fox Film
Corporation get away with not mentioning the
father of all aliens on the latest alien movie???
I don't get it. This is a total lack of respect! |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 13:39:13 -0800
From: "Aaron A. Flores"
<floresaa@pilot.msu.edu>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Alien 4
How much work did Giger put into Alien 4? Was he
on the set? Was he readily available to give
suggestions on set design, or on the aliens? How
many hours did he put into Alien 4? I think Giger
is a genius for creating the Alien design and
should be credited for what he has done (even in
Alien 4), but should he get the oscar nominations
if he didn't put any hours into the work of Alien
4? The Alien that killed the queen was so NOT
Giger. That was obviously (in my opinion)
something made up by one of the designers on the
set. This conferms in my mind that Giger was not
on the set for Alien 4 or had anything to do with
it other than his original designs. |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec
1997 10:23:52 -0800
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
From: Heather Capelli
<skimlizard@earthlink.net>
Subject: my opinion
No artist should ever be belittled for the their
contributions to a vision. When the artist has
done so much to create the vision in the first
place, it is nothing less than shameful. Giger is
a house-hold name because his vision and creation
begot not only the look of the Alien movies, but
all things that have been inspired by them and
his work, since. I hope that Fox responds with a
public apology. Why don't artists get the respect
and credit they have rightly earned?!
-Heather Capelli |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec
1997 12:45:37 -0500
From: "Tony C."
<macadc@rohmhaas.com>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Alien4
Your right, kick their ass!!
Tony Corsaro |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec
1997 20:40:42 -0800
From: Pavel Golubov <paul@mailbox.riga.lv>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: l.r.
Sorry for my dirty English. My opinion is: The
monster in final scene (son of Riply) is just a
profanation of original Giger's design. It is an
horrible, tasteless creature. It's just funny.
Also, Ripley's clones is very bad too. It looks
like Cenobites from HellRiser. If Giger was in
film it could be mutch better! Final scene must
be re-shooted with Giger's original creature :(
l.r. |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec
1997 17:46:37 +0100
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: alien4
From: heel.verlag@t-online.de (Claudia)
Just saw Mr Giger's open letter in Film Threat
Weekly and wanted to state my opinion. It's very
simple and straightforward: Give credit where
credit's due. Mr Giger's remarkable and stunning
monster design is one of the main reasons the
Alien series has prevailed for all those years.
It was the first alien creature I ever saw that
truly frightened me - and this has not changed in
the latest installment. The principle design has
not changed, therefore the creature created from
this design is the product of Mr Giger's
imagination and should be recognized as such.
Even Paramount have honored this principle in
another franchise called Star Trek, where the
original creator's name Gene Roddenberry is still
listed in the credits. I sincerely hope that Fox
will see the error of their ways.
Claudia Kern
Chief editor Space View Magazine, Germany's
largest science fiction magazine |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec
1997 15:45:21 +0100
From: Malin Jonsson
<Malin.Jonsson@uab.ericsson.se>
Organization: Ericsson AXE Research &
Development
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Alien 4
I just want to join the indignant choir and
express my utmost contempt for 20 Century Fox,
with respect to their treatment of Hr Giger; but
this was bound to happen, after all, it's
Hollywood, isn't it? For some reason Hollywood
companies in general dare not produce
imaginative, creative, beautiful and inspiring
movies - could it be that they're afraid they
might add value to people's lives instead of
increasing the stock value?
It is a bliss though that one may still watch the
original Alien movie, which is - by all standards
- one of the most amazing pieces of art ever
created: an animated set of Giger paintings.
Finally, two words for H.R. Giger: SUE THEM!
Best regards /malin jonsson |
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From:
"Rui de Lemos" rdelemos@c3.telstra-mm.net.au
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: HR Giger's Alien work
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:24:05 +100HR Giger is
the heart and soul of ALIEN. I just wanted to
state my support for his anger against FOX. The
least he could be given is a credit and some
recognition on ALIEN: RESURRECTION.
from
Emma Westwood
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From:
Painkiller@webtv.net (Chris 757)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 04:04:17 -0500
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Alien 4 Rip off
It is absolutly, blindingly clear who was the
mastermind behind the alien design. Only HR Giger
can be bestowed with that honor. They exist as
they do because he thought of them. If it was'nt
for him, there would be no Alien...no Aliens,
Alien 3 and the latest Alien Resurrection.
Period!!! By the way, Giger is my prized artist
above all others. The absolutly diabolical and
beautiful artwork reaches something deep inside
me and does'nt allow me to stop
looking...staring. Can't explain it. HOWEVER one
thing I do know...in 1 way I'm glad Gigers' name
is'nt mentioned in the credits...I would'nt want
anyone to think he came up with that completely
STUPID newborn....thing. What a laughing joke!!!
Talk about b-moives and cheese!! Whew...
"The Painkiller" |
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec
1997 22:45:57 -0600
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
From: quint davis <nog@flash.net>
Subject: Screwed by alien
I have been a huge Alien fan since seeing Mr.
Giger's creation in the first Alien film. I find
it totally obscene that Fox feels fit to display
such a callus disreguard for artistic creation.
For God's sake, doesn't every Frankenstein movie
pay homage to Mary Shelly, regardless how far
they have strayed from the original creation. And
can anyone think about Dracula without mentioning
Bram Stoker. Or perhaps it's only the educated
who are aware of such attrocities. It's true the
person ignorant of either author could experience
the same thrill from witnissing a film based on
either creation. True, the collaborative effort
of film making is not on the same name basis as
literary creation. And that's what makes it so
much difficult for the "artist" to keep
from getting screwed. Unfortunately, the typical
person who pays money to see a movie doesn't give
a damn who's responsible for the guts of a film.
They only care if they like what they see. I'd
say in the case of Mr. Giger, and four films
based on his creation, they like what they see.
Now, how do you make these movie Rambo's
appreaciate the poetry of an artist of the
caliber of Mr. Giger? I wish I knew. Does the
average public care who the creater is? No, I'm
afraid to say, they don't. Does fox know this.
Damned right they do. Would they like to screw
Mr. Giger. Well, that question has already been
answered. I take it, by the tone of Mr. Giger's
letter, that he has no contractural rights to his
alien creation. If that's true, it is truley
unfortunate, for Mr. Giger is relying totally on
the kindness of the Hollywood studio money making
machine to pay him homage. If this is the case, I
have only the following words of encouragement
for Mr. Giger. Anyone who has the slightest
interest in filmmaking must know about the
importance of the names behind the director, the
studio, and the writer. Does anyone know the name
of the director of a Ray Harryhausen film? I
don't think so, but everyone knows the genious
behind the special effects, whether they know
Ray's name or not. There has been no movie
creature worthy to inherit the Harryhausen legend
since the original alien creation. For God's
sake, monsters have never been the same since.
Now, who should get the credit for this? Surely,
Mr. Scot gets an A plus for recognizing Mr.
Giger's genius in the first place. But what about
Mr. Giger. Wasn't he the original inspiration?
What is higher than an A plus. Well, in this
case, the only thing higher than an A plus, is
Mr. Giger. He is the beginning and the end of the
Alien mark of excellence. Fox may refuse to
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Subject: support
for Giger
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 23:19:43 -0500
From: Serv Erik <serverik@earthlink.net>
To: "H.R. Giger"
<webagent@hrgiger.com>
I am in total support of Mr. H.R. Giger and his
design of the ALIEN creature throughout it's
various stages and films. I sat there reading
eagerly during the opening credits of the film
"Alien Ressurection" hoping to see
Giger's name, but it did not appear. Don't worry
I told myself, surely it would appear quite
prominently at the ending credits. To my extreme
disappointment and horror, I didn't see any
mention of Mr. H.R. Giger. I felt as if I alone
was the only person in the audience who was aware
of the true creator of this truly horrible
creature. I find it shameful that 20th Century
Fox has the nerve to dismiss the person
responsible for creating the now very popular
vehicle they are making millions from.
Yours truely,
Serv Erik |
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec
1997 05:00:44 +0100
From: nexus <prometoys@berlin.snafu.de>
Organization: prometoys
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Schade ... ich hatte es anders empfunden
Ich denk ich schreib einfach auf deutsch, um so
wenigstens meine Gedanken nicht beständig
umformulieren zu müssen und den Kern der Sache
womöglich nicht zu treffen.
Eine innere Stimme sagt mir, daß diese Mail wohl
doch etwas länger werden wird. Wie dem auch sei,
war ich äußerst widerwillig in Alien IV nachdem
Alien III von Fincher zu Grabe getragen wurde,
gegangen.
Ohne eine Spannung vorweg zu nehmen war der Film
für mich eine herbe Enttäuschung und artete in
stundenlangen Diskussionen mit meinen Freunden
aus .. aber dazu später.
Vielleicht kann man die Folgenden Statements
besser beurteilen, wenn man meine Beziehung zu
Alien kennt.
Als Alien das erste Mal seine Präsenz per Plakat
in unsere Straße brachte, war ich gefesselt.
Jeden Morgen (und ich war noch ein ziemlicher
junger Pimpf) starrte ich eine Ewigkeit in das
unheilvolle
grüne Glühen.
Für mich stand fest, daß ich um jeden Preis
herausfinden mußte was
dahinter steckte. Ein fast auswegloses
Unterfangen, denn der zwei Meter und
Erz-Konservative Kino - Vorsteher teilte nicht
gerade meine Meinung.
irgendwie gelang es mir dann doch unerkannt an
ihm vorbeizukommen und mich in eine dunkle Ecke
zu verkriechen, vor Aufregung zitternd was mich
erwarten würde.
ich verstand bei weitem nicht alles und war allen
anderem voran zuerst von der Nostromo und den
nicht so üblichen Science Fiction Design
angetan. Und dann war dort die Höhle,
Brutkammer, Lager, Basis ... wie immer man es
auch nennen mochte, auf jeden Fall eine
gigantische Anzahl der auf den Plakten
vorkommenden Eier. Im Kino brodelte es, die Leute
waren geschockt und von Minute zu Minute
erstarrten Ihre Gesichter im Flackern der guten
alten Laterna Magica zu grellen, grotesken
Fratzen.
Ungewohnter Weise hatte ich keine Angst war
fasziniert und ließ mich verzaubern. Erst Jahre
später verstand ich was mich damals so sehr
bewegte.
Jede Cinefantastic, Fangoria, Cinema war ein
wahre Freude- wenn irgend etwas über Giger oder
Alien, oder Poltergeist etc.. drin war und als
zur Uraufführung von Alien (ich glaube es war in
der ARD) die Reportage über HR Giger folgte,
dazu die Musik von Gabriels Birdy zog es mich
völlig in den Bann.
Wir waren damals gerade in unserer Sturm und
Drang- und vor allem Probierphase. Birdy und
Angelheart Soundrack waren Pflicht, Horner
dröhnte mit seinem Wolfen Zitat in Aliens,
während die erste Raubkopie von Aliens über den
Schirm sauste.
Wir waren im Bann. Das Necronomicon wurde wieder
und wieder studiert, wir lasen Lovecraft und
versuchten uns in die Zeichnungen Gigers hinein
zu versetzen. Mit Caligraph und einer jeweils
wechselnden Kombination von Halluzinogenen
zeichneten wir was das Zeug hielt.
Viele meiner Freunde sind noch heute in diesem
Fieber. Mich
interessierte jedoch mehr.
Jahre vergingen .. ich wurde digital designer,
journalist, autor von kurzgeschichten, editor und
letztendlich auch Produzent.
Irgendwann einmal schickten wir im Übermut ein
Fax an Fox mit dem Titel "Alience" ...
ein Treatment.
Wie zu erwarten kein Feedback .........
Kein Interesse an einem Inhalt ? ...
Alien war einmlig, sein Schock unerreichbar ....
aber das Disaster Alien III (nicht design sondern
Umsetzung) war Grund genug.
Die Hoffnung auf den vierten Teil war um so
gewaltiger.
Doch leider .. eine herbe Enttäuschung ..
hatte Cameron den Alien Cult noch, wenn auch
verzerrt übernommen, begrub Fincher mit seiner
Werbe-Ästhetik auch den letzten Hoffnung
Schimmer auf ein intensives Alien Abenteuer ...
Doch Alien IV tanzt hämisch grinsend auf diesem
Grabe herum
Immerhin genoß ich das Gefühl von Gigers
NewYork City im innern des Militär Frachters,
ich genoß die Zitate an "The Tourist"
im 1 - 7 Labor, ich genoß den Lovecraft
typischen Mad Scientist, hatte ein dejavu in der
Betty und doch wurde alles im tristen Trash Kitch
begraben ... und damit wohl eine der
faszinierendsten und am wenigst behandelten nicht
prometheu íschen Kreaturen der Filmgeschichte
vollends vernichtet.
Einen Dank für den Einfluß auf meine Kreative
Arbeit an Giger.
Einen Dank für die vielen Stunden Faszination.
Gruß Nexus
PS. Das Alien Model bei Thomas Mulack gesehen zu
haben fängt einen einfach in den Bann.
PPS. Es wäre schade wenn Alien nur noch als
Nebendarsteller neben
Predator enden würde.
PPPPS. Mein absoluter Favourit war immer
Futurekill doch wenn Sis das nächste Mal wieder
per Animatronik und Animation belebt wird, wenn
Trumball und Rambaldi oder wenigstens Kreative
wie diese - Hand an anlegen würden und der
Computer nur Werkzeug und nicht Effekt-Maschin
ist ...
Würde selbst Alien langsam aber sicher zu den
Maren in meinen Träumen zurückkehren und
endlich Ruhe finden.
Einen Toast auf Byron, Shelley, Dante, Stoker,
Stevenson und Dick..... |
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From:
"{A-Before-E} Baer William Bradford the
1st" <bwb@utk.edu>
To: <WebAgent@HRGiger.com>
Subject: Ekk!?!
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:09:04 -0500
Giger,
I for one looked for your name in the opening
credits. I didn't see them, but I assumed you
would be mentioned in the closing credits, a
place I didn't feel your name should be placed,
but being Hollywood I figured somewhere is better
than no where. Well I didn't stay for the credits
so I didn't find out if you got your credit or
not. But while surfing the website Ain't It Cool
News!!! I discovered you were indeed not
mentioned at all. Blasphemy!!! I can't believe
it. It is like writing a X-Men comic book without
given a mentioning of Stan Lee. I for one give
you my upmost appreciation and hope you don't
hold this against Hollywood to the point that we
no longer get to see such wonderful creations as
Alien and Species. Keep up the great work.
Sincerely,
Baer |
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec
1997 14:27:19 +0000
From: Gary Sinclair
<gary@sinclair.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Sinclair Software Engineering
To: WebAgent@hrgiger.com
Subject: What a travesty
This sort of cynical activity only reaffirms what
is already known about the movie business, that
sequels are a product of big business and not an
attempt to extend an idea beyond the limits of
the brief 2 hour introduction to that idea.
Fox Inc. should have known better. |
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From: "Neil
Burton"<Neil_Burton/CLARIANT@clariant.com>
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:00:46 +0100
Subject: Abomination, imitation, ridicule and
copywrite.
I paid, I sat and I watched Alien4 in it's
entirety. I giggled, I laughed and was appalled!!
I regretted every moment, not only did the
creatures creator never get even a mention in the
credits he was systematically
ridiculed by the films creators, trying to
imitate his art work. Not content at subtly
creating scenery close to that used in the
"Alien craft" of the original film,
they tried damn hard to copy a unique style. The
designs for the Ripley clones 1-7 look
startlingly alike the art of Mr Giger, but
severely lack any imagination. To finish I will
only mention the Ripley/Alien offspring as it's
cumbersome stupidity only added to the films
downfall. This film should never have been made!
An appalled fan. |
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Date:
Mon, 01 Dec 1997 14:58:17 -0800
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
From: Michael Winder alien@ucla.edu
Subject: It's an outrage!I'm angered at Fox for not
giving Giger credit -- especially when much of
the imagery in Resurrection appears even
more dependent on his paintings than the previous
two films.
Why wouldn't they
give him a credit? It's rude, irresponsible, and
cheap not to. Were they worried about paying
royalties? God forbid!
Perhaps Fox feels
Giger is expendable, much like the Company felt
Ripley was expendable. Maybe Giger will have to
have a little resurrection himself -- did
somebody say "lawsuit"?
I applaud Giger's
incredible vision and his stance against Fox.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec
1997 16:03:27 -0700
From: Roy Corey <gseven@unm.edu>
Organization: University of New Mexico
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: lack of credit
It is perfectly obvious that the aliens depicted
in the "Alien" series are modeled after
H. R. Gigers artwork. What is not obvious is why
Giger is not given credit for his work. Are the
film makers trying to commit intellectual
property theft?
Roy Corey
University of New Mexico |
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From:
"CHRISTOPHER SJOKVIST"
<gitarzan@email.msn.com>
To: <WebAgent@HRGiger.com>
Subject: RE: ALIEN CREDIT
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:33:51 -0500
Dear Mr. Giger,
I think that it is appalling that they have
chosen not to give credit to you for your OBVIOUS
contributions to the continuing Alien saga. Your
work, Necronom IV, depicts the alien almost
exactly as it was in the movie. How they could
not give you credit is beyond my imagination,
there must be some sort of copyright law that
would cover this problem. Anyway, your aliens
were about the only redeeming characters in the
last two movies and you can rest assured that ALL
of the Alien movies would be significantly
diminished without your concepts. I hope that
they can see fit to beg for your forgiveness and
have you remove the Chestbursters before it is
too late ;-)
Thank you,
Chris Sjokvist |
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From:
SithFran@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:34:35 -0500 (EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: support Giger!
I am writing in response to a letter read in the
latest issue of Film Threat Weekly Internet
Magazine. In it they show the letter from Giger
to Fox studios. I have to support the Father of
Aliens all the way!!! If it wasn't for his
imagery in the Alien films, they never would have
taken off like they have. Also, if he wasn't
credited with the design, many of us would not
have become fans of his and hound after his other
works. My full support to the Father of Aliens
and to his future works!!!
In support always
Francis
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec
1997 13:06:02 -0500
From: John Walsh <johnw@rga.com>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Dismayed
As a long time Giger fan I was surprised to hear
of the omision of HR Giger from Alien:
Resurrection. I must say I did not wait to watch
the credits due to the fact that I thought the
movie pathetically bad with no redeeming
qualities. Wisecracking mercenary's, butchy
women,and handicapped weapons experts, enough
politcal correctness already, lets' get back to
science fiction.
John Walsh |
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From:
Mauryd@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:52:28 -0500 (EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: RE: Alien Ressurection Credit
Please forward this to Mr. Giger:
It distresses me to learn that you are not
credited with the design of the alien in the new
movie. It is clear to me as I'm sure to every
filmgoer that you are the impetus for the true
spirit of the alien in ALL the movies. Although
the direction, acting, writing etc. for the
movies has been very good, the character of the
alien is what MADE them the amazing movie
experience that it has been. Without the
existence of your unique style of art, the
success of the original would have been very
limited and no sequels would have EVER been made.
Although the corporate pinheads at 20th Century
Fox have no morals, I hope it gives you some
small measure of satisfaction that some of us
give thought and appreciation to you on every
viewing of ANY Alien movie.
Thank-you!
Maury Duchamp |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 12:28:38 -0400
From: Vincent Maccioli
<vincent@earthweb.com>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: My Sympathies
Herr Giger,
I have long been a fan of your work, and
the injustice of the
situation is a travesty to all artists,
yet not a suprise with Hollywood
involved. Yours is a seminal vision which
has influenced countless projects since
79's Alien, yet has never been matched.
The subsequent design for 2 of the other
films are merely variations using a
language that would not exist if not for
you. We can notice a grassroots approach
to film burgeoning, as well as greater
emphasis being place upon the validity
and quality of independent filmaking. I
can only hope that someday this will
undermine the stranglehold that major
studios have on the industry, perpetuated
by the lawyers, producers, executives;
the unskilled. Your situation is a
perfect example of the lack of respect
these types of people have for craft,
talent and artistry. They mindlessly
churn out product while assuming the
public is basically unsophisticated, and
it's starting to wear thin. I only hope
to see the day when the power is in the
hands of the creative, and the artist is
given the rich credit so deserved.
Highest Regards,
Vincent Maccioli
New York, NY |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 11:49:53 +0000
From: Sean Duncan
<seand@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Alien Snub
Just thought I'd throw my support behind
Mr. Giger and express my outrage at his
having been excluded from the credits of
Alien:
Resurrection. However, I'd also hope that
Mr. Giger would be secretly pleased that
his name is no longer strongly associated
with the series. Over the course of four
films, the series has become increasingly
creatively-bankrupt and more
"Hollywood" with each
installment. Ridley Scott's original
vision has been watered-down into a
cliche and, while an injustice has
certainly been perpetrated against Mr.
Giger, he should feel a small degree of
victory that, as his direct involvement
with the films has decreased, so has
their quality.
Sean C. Duncan |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 10:10:10 -0600
From: Brian Leach
<bcleach@neog.com>
Organization: Neoglyphics Media Corp.
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: SUE!
sue fox! |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 08:07:10 -0800
From: brett heppes
<brett_heppes@hp.com>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Insurrection: from Film Threat
Weekly News
I agree whole heartedly with Mr. Giger's
position that Fox has "stolen"
screen credit from Mr. Giger for the most
recent chapter in the Alien legacy.
Regards, Brett Heppes
Mtn. View, California, USA |
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Date: Mon,
1 Dec 1997 10:29:48 -0500
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
From: hour <hour@rust.net>
Subject: sans credit
Noticed the lack of credit at a
screening. HmmmŠmaybe he's just
washed his hands of the whole thing?
Didn't approve of another sequel? I
wondered. After reading the letter to
20th Century-Fox, I do heartily wish to
show my support to Mr. Giger and HIS
uncredited aliens. Who apologizes for the
majors?
Brenna Sanchez |
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From:
OcelotFilm@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:08:40 -0500
(EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: knuckleheads
It has been brought to my attention that
H.R. Giger, the creator of the Alien
creature in the Alien motion picture
series, has been cheated out of his
rightful credit by 20th Century-Fox for
designing and inspiring that signature
monster's appearence and likeness. As the
situation has been described to me, Fox's
action is nothing short of the theft of
Mr. Giger's intellectual property. To
deny Mr. Giger of his rightful credit in
this matter is a kind of corporate fraud
and larceny of the worst sort. It not
only denies him credit for his
creativity, but also the basic lack of
acknowledgement on Fox's part that, but
for Giger and his exceptional mind, the
phenominally successful Alien series
would simply not exist. Creative minds,
as rare as they are, should be nurtured,
fostered and when appropriate rewarded.
As the producer of five independent
features over the past 3 years (including
"The Pompatus Of Love" and this
year's Sundance winner
"Sunday") I deplore Fox's
behavior in the strongest possible terms.
Respectfully yours,
D.J. Paul |
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Date: Mon,
1 Dec 1997 14:20:25 +0100
From: miracles@vidfilm.dnet.co.uk
Subject: GIGER CREDIT
It is just and correct that H.R.Giger
should be credited with the designs of
the various stages of the Alien creatures
in ALIEN: INSURRECTION - and also for the
biomorphic environments that
"they" create. But then, when
has Holywood ever paid it's dues to the
creativity it plunders and exploits for
it's $$$$ return? May these small matters
not corrupt the art of H.R.Giger.
Dave Johnston |
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From:
j-viviers@usa.net
Date: 1 Dec 1997 13:21:49 -0000
Subject: H.R.Giger should be in the
credits!
TO: webagent@hrgiger.com
To whom it may correspond:
I'm sending this e-mail to the agent of
Mr. H.R.Giger in response to an article
in Film Threat Magazine, e-mail version,
where there is a letter from Mr.Giger
himself, where he states his right to be
called the father of the Alien creatures
and to appear in the Alien series movie
credits with the title he deserves and
has worked for. I fully support Mr.
Giger's motion and wish, hoping that, in
an ever globalizing world, where
individual talent is diluted in a
mainstream current of mediocrity, we will
still be able to recognize the
originality of an incredible talent and
imagineering of the artist Mr. H.R.Giger.
Gerardo A. Viviers |
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From:
ToneyAK@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:14:07 -0500
(EST)
To: WebAgent@hrgiger.com
Subject: That is what I think!!!!
A lawsuit is in order but it wouldn't do
the public good much if the beautiful
'Alien' was extracted from the movie
scene, if in fact the failed to
acknowledge that you, as the Alien
father, made the film, then did they as
well fail to invite you in on he royalty
from to sales and other merchandiing that
accompanied the movies? If such things
were done, it is truely an abominable
thing and no such monetary compensation
would suffice! Every one I know knows
that you (Hans) created the Alien, I
should hope that the rewards you deserve
are given, for truley the Alien is a
remarkable beast never before seen in any
nightmarish hell, I thank you for the
images, they are forever the inspiring.
Thank You, Aaron |
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Date: Mon,
1 Dec 1997 06:06:59 -0600
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
From: floyd@gitback.demon.co.uk (Floyd
Webb)
Subject: Dancing with the Devil by the
light of the full moon...
I can't believe this was done without a
proper contract for credit from the
beginning....these studio smucks never do
the right thing, only what they are
forced to do. You have my support but
what will it mean in a court of law????
Got a name...maybe an old style chicago
visit might loosen some common
sense at the executive level...
Floyd Webb |
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From:
DAVID_HAROLD@eu.cohnwolfe.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:00:01 +0000
Subject: SUPPORT
I'd just like to add my outrage at the
shameful way Giger's been treated over
Alien:Resurrection.
Best wishes, David Harold. |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 04:09:52 -0500
From: "C. Tiryaki"
<ephesus@cmu.edu>
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: About Alien Movies
To HR Giger:
I just wanted to express my opinion on
this issue about the alien movies. Being
an architecture student, I have been
deeply interested in Giger's work for a
long time. I was watching one of those
"behind the scene" type
programs about newly released movies, a
few days ago. There was a segment about
Alien 4, so I sat down to watch the show,
hoping to hear Giger's name and see some
of his work on American TV
(Culture/Art/Etc.-related programs are
extremely rare in America). I was waiting
and waiting but there was no mention of
his name. They showed these two young men
posing like artists and their sketches of
the alien. The sketches, of course,
looked as if "color-copied"
from a Giger book. And these people
pretended that they were the designers of
the creature; they looked very proud of
their work. Thousands of people watching
these types of shows and cinemas will
never know that the alien creature has
one specific creator. And this creator is
no ordinary poser on tv, he is a
well-known original artist. It is sad
that these things happen. I don't
understand how someone can get all the
credit for a design that doesn't belong
to him; I personally wouldn't be able to
sleep at nights.
C. Tiryaki |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 00:37:55 -0800
From: Jon <dblplus@pacbell.net>
Organization: Organizers Anonymous
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: My support
I wholeheartedly agree that Fox should
give due credit to Mr. Giger. Without his
creations and vision, there would be no
Alien 4. Just show some respect. I
suspect that by not crediting Giger for
the art, then they studio can manufacture
commercial products to their heart's
content, and not pay any royalties for
the designs. I have not yet seen the new
film, and aven though I want to, hearing
about this blatant greed on the studio's
part, makes me think twice about giving
them my money.
Jon |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 09:34:57 +0100
From: dariobirindelli
<dariobirindelli@iol.it>
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Credit where credit is due
Hi there from Italy. Having read Mr.
Giger's missive to 20th Century Fox
concerning the lack of a mention of his
name anywhere on the new Alien Movie's
credits, I must say that he has all my
support-for what it's worth.
Keep up the good work. Resonate.
Dario Birindelli
Via Inghilterra 81
57128 Livorno
Italy |
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From:
Biehnteam@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:00:50 -0500
(EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Alien design
Absolutely agree! I thought it kind of
strange that Mr Giger's name was not
mentioned... me being an Alien fan and
all. The Alien is of global interest...
it has a huge fan base because of it's
strange alien looks and nasty primal
nature, all of which originated with the
Alien that Mr. Giger did for the first
Alien movie. Just because that design has
been modified, it does not mean that he
should not get credit for it. I am an
Alien fan myself, having been hooked by
the first two movies. The latter two
movies however, have been sadly insulting
to the fans of the first two, by not
staying true to the storyline. (The only
way I can stomach Alien 3 is to believe
it is a nightmare of Ripley's). I do not
know who is at fault for that, but I sure
damn wish they would correct the
problem.... (perhaps Ripley has gotten
too big for her spacesuit, eh?) And as
for 4... well, it sadly was based on the
ashes of 3, which has holes you could
warp a fleet of ships through.
Personally, I could have written
something better than what they used for
Alien 3.
But I digress.
Mr. Giger should have been credited with
the creation of the Alien. He IS the
creator. Anyone who is an Alien fan KNOWS
that. Even Michael Biehn (Hicks from
Aliens) fans know that, and they are not
all fans of the Alien horror/sci-fi
genre. They just like the actor. So how
come this glaring error was overlooked by
20th Century Fox? It seems incredible to
me. Since 20th Century Fox is clamping
down so hard on fan-fiction of such
movies as Alien and Aliens, etc, they
should at least police themselves to get
the facts right, wouldn't you think?
Yours in support,
L.S. Light |
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From:
Serenaleo@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 01:13:03 -0500
(EST)
To: WebAgent@hrgiger.com
Subject: alien
i agree with hr giger.
he should have received proper credit for
his involvement in the creation of the
alien. give credit where it is due
serena bartha |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 00:10:38 -0600
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
From: flippy <leyen@texas.net>
Subject: ALIEN:RESURRECTION (response to
article)
to H.R. Giger c/o his agent.
I read in a recent article that I
received through a friend, about the lack
of credit given to Giger with regards to
the most recent Alien movie. Attached
with this article was a letter written by
Giger to 20th Century Fox which depicted
his grievances.
Last Wednesday, when the film was
released, my friends and I went to see
the picture as we have all been fans of
the Alien movies. The reason we are fans,
however, has little to do with their
plots. While i was watching both the
opening and closing credits, I looked
over the names in search of Giger's. I
have been a huge fan of his art since I
first viewed it and as an artist myself,
to see his name on the "big
screen" brings about a certain
satisfaction. However, I did not see it
when i watched Alien:Resurrection. I
figured that this was merely an oversight
on my part, but after reading the
article, I discovered that this was not
the case and that it had, in fact, been
left out. This i do not understand,
because truly, without Giger's alien,
there would not be an alien franchise. I
will always consider the first Alien
movie to be my favorite simply because
Giger's artwork is such a large part of
it. Nothing in set design can compare to
the work that he did with reference to
the alien ship. To learn that he has not
been given credit on this film is both
alarming,and upsetting. Recently, my
portfolio was approved by the School of
the,Art Institute of Chicago. Giger's
work has been a huge influence on
the,pieces that i produce and I would not
be the artist that I am today
without,studying his pieces. I certainly
would not be sitting here with
an,opportunity to attend art school in
Chicago. For this I thank him more,than I
can say and only hope that he is given
the credit he deserves.
Thank you for your time.
matt leyen. |
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From:
Deluca8mm@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:46:40 -0500
(EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Support for H.R. Giger
To Mr. Giger's Agent,
I just wanted to write to show my support
and voice that I am in complete agreement
with Mr. Giger about the dispute
concerning giving credit where it is
definitely due. In this case, sadly, Mr.
Giger originality and creativity were not
recognized. Mr. Giger is a very talented
man and deserves recognition as the
mastermind behind the design of the
aliens.
Sincerely,
Vera Zago - Boulder, Colorado |
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From:
Nostrogoth@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:43:42 -0500
(EST)
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: Alien Resurrection
sounds like Giger was cheated. i support
the artist, and (if the information i've
received is correct) encourage you to sue
those responsible.
-kai. |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 17:45:17 +0500
From: babar@cyber.net.pk (Babar Mughal)
Organization: cyber.net
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
Subject: Alien dead again
I was really happy about this movie but i
didn't knew that they would do this with
the man/myth/legend who gave birth to
ALIEN and i think alien is dead again
before it's resurrection... Here is
somthing from alien resurrection site
Copyright Notice TM and © Fox and its
related entities. All rights reserved.
Any reproduction, duplication, or
distribution in any form is expressly
prohibited .........SOUNDS HEAVY COMING
FROM THEM...! |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 11:51:51 +1300
To: WebAgent@HRGiger.com
From: Simon Clough
<S.W.Clough@massey.ac.nz>
Subject: credit should be given
hi
just a quick note to say that I'm in full
support
of your campaign, large company's should
not be
able to assume creative rights to an idea
that
is so clearly that of an artist. Credit
should
be given where it is due.
Keep up the excellent work
Simon Clough |
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Date: Mon,
01 Dec 1997 04:24:53 -0600
From: Kevin Coleman
<kcoleman@phoenix.net>
To: webagent@hrgiger.com
Subject: FOX-TAILS
Alien Father,
Without the direct influence of your
incredible alien creature designs, Fox
would still be chasing its tail trying to
make the first "Alien." Without
a doubt, your creative imagery made
"Alien," very alien. And I
would think everyone would agree that you
deserve all due credit as the creative
mastermind behind the overall
"look" of all 4 Alien films.
Kevin Coleman |
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